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Post by Raiderjoseph on Feb 21, 2015 20:58:17 GMT -5
Ooc: What about Ever apologizing to Forge?
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Post by Bio Plus on Feb 21, 2015 21:05:53 GMT -5
ooc: Ever already said that Forge got what the deserved. So Forge thinks Ever did him wrong and Ever thinks she didn't. Some place down the line the two will need to be able to talk about this, but right now they can't because of the tension between them. Even without Mith's interference they would never have been able to talk openly about it. Also, do remember that after Forge talked to Tornado about it, it didn't bother him so much anymore.
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Post by Raiderjoseph on Feb 21, 2015 21:09:08 GMT -5
Ooc: does now. Any suggestions on how to fix this?
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Post by Bio Plus on Feb 21, 2015 21:16:56 GMT -5
ooc: That happened moments before this took place, nothing happened to change his feelings about it. And I do, but don't you have anything?
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Post by Raiderjoseph on Feb 21, 2015 21:20:28 GMT -5
...my roleplay game is not very strong. But I thought having Mag explain how Forge was manipulated by several women in his life to do some... Bad things. Might help some. But that's as far as I can go.
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Post by Bio Plus on Feb 21, 2015 21:33:46 GMT -5
ooc: Because of the situation that was meaningless. Also there's no way for Mith to sympathize with Forge, so there's no reason for her to feel more obligated towards him than towards her friends. As for moving on. First of we must get past this day, because Forge must think about what he wants to do. Is he going to try and make them stay, do he want to talk to Ever and why he wants to do all that. And thinking takes time. You're characters should never come up with reasons or ideas the same time you do. And Mith told him that HE can't speak to Ever. So Mag and Shard still can. And since Forge is a sneaky bastard by nature, it would be like him to use such a loop hole. This also makes things interesting since Mag doesn't like Ever yet he will want to help Forge. And Forge really doesn't know Shard, so asking her may be difficult for him, but it may be his only choice. Remember that there has been very little character bonding between Shard and Forge. You don't really let the two interact with each other. Edit: Misread your post, just ignore the strikeout.
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Post by Bio Plus on Feb 21, 2015 21:40:39 GMT -5
ooc: One more thing. You try the use the sympathy angle a lot and it's a very weak angle. Not everyone will sympathize with your character, especially when he has shown very little reason to be sympathized. It may be bad that someone was eaten by lions, but it's hard to feel sorry for him if he walked through their den with meat stuck to them every day until it happened.
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Post by Raiderjoseph on Feb 21, 2015 21:44:21 GMT -5
Ooc: Well how would you get her to apologize?
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Post by Bio Plus on Feb 21, 2015 21:49:24 GMT -5
ooc: You're jumping way ahead of yourself Raider. There may not even be an apology. Ever also has her reasons for doing things. But there can be understanding, which could be better than an apology. But none of that is going to happen for a while. Don't try to force it, work towards it.
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Post by Raiderjoseph on Feb 21, 2015 22:02:41 GMT -5
Ooc: How is understanding better then an apology? (Pure curiousty)
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Post by Bio Plus on Feb 21, 2015 22:19:07 GMT -5
ooc: By understanding Ever, Forge may feel that he doesn't need an apology. And using the recent situation between you and Broly as an example. You did apologize, which is good, but understanding why Broly got mad and why he felt like he did would mean more to him than just and apology alone. Ever can tell apologize to Forge at any time, but it could be insincere or manipulative in itself. Which is why I don't do it, because there wont be any bonding in those situations.
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Post by Raiderjoseph on Feb 21, 2015 22:19:56 GMT -5
Oh so if she apologizes now it won't really be meaningful. Right?
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Post by Bio Plus on Feb 21, 2015 22:34:15 GMT -5
ooc: Yes, because that's all it would be. And later Forge may not even expect an apology.
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Post by Raiderjoseph on Feb 21, 2015 22:56:41 GMT -5
Ooc: Would still be nice though. His reaction to an apology would have been amazing.
Mag picked up Forge with his Force and took him up to the tree. "I'll come back in the morning." Mag said.
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Post by Bio Plus on Feb 22, 2015 3:57:43 GMT -5
ooc: Don't force it just because you want it. As long as you play Forge as a person, with his wants and needs, and not a character with your wants and needs, he'll have an awesome and meaningful reaction to whatever happens. Aand don't forget you also have Shard.
Mith sat in silence at the fire. Ever tried to ignore everything going on at the fireplace as best she could and acted as if she didn't hear a thing, even though she did.
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Post by Raiderjoseph on Feb 22, 2015 10:05:07 GMT -5
Ooc: I got an idea. Maybe Shard could use her Luna scroll at some point.
Shard just stammered. "Wait that's it?! After all that and no emotions from any of you?!" Shard asked. Not to any pony in particular but just to the situation.
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Post by Bio Plus on Feb 22, 2015 12:58:52 GMT -5
ooc: And what will the Luna scroll do?
Ever continued what she was doing. Mith took out some marshmallows from her bag. "Do you want one?" She offered Shard.
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Post by Raiderjoseph on Feb 22, 2015 14:07:26 GMT -5
Ooc: Summon Luna. It was said to be used as a last resort if things go wrong.
"Do you think now is honestly the best time for a marshmallow?" Shard asked incredulously.
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Post by Bio Plus on Feb 22, 2015 14:44:49 GMT -5
ooc: But this hardly is the kind of emergency that would call for that. What's Luna going to tell them? To behave and get along? "No." Mith told her honestly. "But there's nothing else to do. We have to keep our strength up for the mission."
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Post by Raiderjoseph on Feb 22, 2015 15:23:35 GMT -5
Shard took a marshmallow. "You ponies have horrible social skills have three ponies TOO close knit and a pony and an eyeball who don't understand that." She thought to herself. "So your really gonna abandon the Princess Mith?" Shard asked.
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Post by Bio Plus on Feb 22, 2015 16:21:49 GMT -5
"Probably." Mith told Shard. "We're just going to do more harm than good the way we're acting. And Forge wants this more than we do, he needs it. So it makes sense that we're the once to leave. Tornado will be upset, but as long as we're together we'll pull through."
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Post by Raiderjoseph on Feb 22, 2015 16:28:36 GMT -5
"Don't you think that maybe... this could be a learning experience?" Shard asked Mith.
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Post by Bio Plus on Feb 22, 2015 16:51:46 GMT -5
"If we could learn something from the experience, yes." Mith said. "But Forge is too stubborn to think of anypony but himself and Mag. And Ever has become too close to Forge and things will become worse because of that. It's complicated. And can you still trust me after what I've just done?"
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Post by Raiderjoseph on Feb 22, 2015 17:01:11 GMT -5
"I think... maybe that Mag and Forge have... the opposite perspective that you three are too stubborn and you only care about yourselves. I think that the only way to get through this is to get everything in the open. But that won't happen. Both the groups here are too similar and different to come together overnight. But full disclosure I find you in the wrong as well. Nothing justifies what you did. Extreme reactions and lack of emotional closure will just build up. We need to come together. But as for do I trust you I do. I trust that you won't betray the princess. I'm just on the outside looking in on both groups. So I make my opinions as somepony with normal social skills and no tragic backstories. So I apologize if I sound offensive but I cannot keep watching this and keeping quiet. You but a BOMB on him. He almost cut his leg off which was his wrongdoing true but he wouldn't have done it if not for the BOMB he had on his leg. I'm going to ask you something, if he hadn't had dome what he did would you have let it go off?" Shard asked.
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Post by Bio Plus on Feb 22, 2015 17:19:53 GMT -5
"Yes." Mith answered. "One day I want to help my family, but if it means protecting Ever and Tornado I would gladly give that up. Ponies will use your past to hurt you and they will use your feelings to hurt you. And Forge is causing a lot of hurt without knowing it. And I never tried to justify myself. We never said we'd do the right thing to protect each other, we said we'd do anything to protect each other."
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Post by Raiderjoseph on Feb 22, 2015 17:31:58 GMT -5
"Well there is your problem. You try too hard and act thinking that your actions are justified based on your reasons for doing them. You would kill Forge instead of point out the problem and try to come to a solution." Shard said as a matter of factly. "That's wrong. And your attitude towards this scares me. At least Forge goes out of his way not to kill ponies. I'm going to see if he is alright then get some sleep. Think about this. If you had to kill Ever and Tornado to protect your family or vice versa would you have no qualms doing it? Of course you would but what if it was a random stranger? Maybe less maybe not at all. But what if you had to do it with all of Equestria watching?" Shard asked. "Where do you draw the line?" She flew off into the tree.
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Post by Bio Plus on Feb 22, 2015 17:45:21 GMT -5
ooc: Mith just said she didn't try to justify herself. She just admitted to what she did wasn't right. She said: We never said we'd do the right thing to protect each other, we said we'd do anything to protect each other. Meaning that she'd even do the wrong thing if it meant protecting her friends. And she said that the bomb would only take off an arm not kill a pony. So this is a confusing stated from Shard. She's trying to say Mith is wrong when Mith already admits that. And then has her think about where to draw the line when, by Mith's statement with her family and friends, she already thinks about that. The point is Shard's statement doesn't really change Mith's perspective.
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Post by Raiderjoseph on Feb 22, 2015 17:49:48 GMT -5
"Well I think I don't trust you now. Your nonchalant attitude towards this is wrong. No remorse. I'm going to check on Forge and then I'm going to bed." Shard said. She flew into the tree.
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Post by Bio Plus on Feb 22, 2015 17:59:46 GMT -5
ooc: You're sarcastic response (with which I mean you and not Shard) is actually a lot better than the previous one. Next time try to appeal to the part of her that she can't defend against. "I know there are ponies that would hurt you, but there are good ponies out there as well. But if you're not even going to give us a chance, how are we suppose to to prove ourselves?" Because no matter what they feel, Ever, Mith and Tor was once those good ponies that helped out their friends so they can't deny that there are good ponies in the world. And don't use that line I wrote because it's not completely right, it still needs to be tweaked before it comes out right. Mith got up and walked back to their tent. Ever followed her inside when she past her and the three friends went to sleep.
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Post by Raiderjoseph on Feb 22, 2015 18:14:35 GMT -5
So which comment was better?...
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